In this episode of On The Real, host Bob Bartlett sits down with Carl Crawford, co-founder of the Ubuntu Fly Anglers Network, casting instructor, and lifelong jazz enthusiast. Carl shares his evolution as a fly angler, from discovering new waters to shaping inclusive spaces where anglers of color can thrive. Along the way, he dives into his passion for jazz and the art of “jazz casting,” reflects on the power of Ubuntu in building community, and recounts the magic of the group’s first in-person gathering in Spokane. This is a conversation about fishing, yes, but even more about connection, belonging, and imagining what’s possible when we cast together.
On The Real is all about making the invisible visible. This podcast, hosted by Ubuntu Fly Anglers, is a space where we get real with Black and Brown anglers, guides, outfitters, and outdoor enthusiasts about what matters most to them. Through candid conversations, On The Real explores the joys, challenges, and truths of living the outdoor life—from fly fishing and guiding to building businesses, mentoring others, and finding belonging in nature. It’s about sharing wisdom, celebrating identity, and holding space for the real stories that often go unheard.
